Comments for Lennart Regebro: Plone consulting http://regebro.wordpress.com Plone is the community! Sun, 18 May 2008 09:15:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU Comment on Python 3000 and compatibility by New project: python-incompatibility. Is Python 3.0 really incompatible? « Lennart Regebro: Plone consulting http://regebro.wordpress.com/2007/06/23/python-3000-and-compatibility/#comment-518 New project: python-incompatibility. Is Python 3.0 really incompatible? « Lennart Regebro: Plone consulting Fri, 16 May 2008 05:10:04 +0000 http://regebro.wordpress.com/2007/06/23/python-3000-and-compatibility/#comment-518 [...] control.Please run a test for me (it takes only minutes)Python and time zones: Fighting the beastPython 3000 and compatibilityWhy Python 2.6 and 3.0 compatibility would be a Very Good [...] [...] control.Please run a test for me (it takes only minutes)Python and time zones: Fighting the beastPython 3000 and compatibilityWhy Python 2.6 and 3.0 compatibility would be a Very Good [...]

]]> Comment on New project: python-incompatibility. Is Python 3.0 really incompatible? by Lennart Regebro http://regebro.wordpress.com/2008/05/15/new-project-python-incompatibility-is-python-30-really-incompatible/#comment-517 Lennart Regebro Fri, 16 May 2008 05:04:18 +0000 http://regebro.wordpress.com/?p=95#comment-517 You are right. I've tried to clarify (and fixed the spelling error), I hope that's better? You are right. I’ve tried to clarify (and fixed the spelling error), I hope that’s better?

]]> Comment on New project: python-incompatibility. Is Python 3.0 really incompatible? by James Justin Harrell http://regebro.wordpress.com/2008/05/15/new-project-python-incompatibility-is-python-30-really-incompatible/#comment-513 James Justin Harrell Thu, 15 May 2008 23:26:58 +0000 http://regebro.wordpress.com/?p=95#comment-513 "unicode_listerals" should be "unicode_literals" At first I was confused because it seemed like you were saying, "Current Python code should work with Python 3.0", which I know is not true. Then I realized you were actually saying, "Python code can be written in such a way that it works with Python 2.6 and Python 3.0". That's pretty different. You're not very clear. But it's great to see that this is possible. This should make transitioning much easier. “unicode_listerals” should be “unicode_literals”

At first I was confused because it seemed like you were saying, “Current Python code should work with Python 3.0″, which I know is not true. Then I realized you were actually saying, “Python code can be written in such a way that it works with Python 2.6 and Python 3.0″. That’s pretty different. You’re not very clear.

But it’s great to see that this is possible. This should make transitioning much easier.

]]> Comment on New project: python-incompatibility. Is Python 3.0 really incompatible? by Lennart Regebro http://regebro.wordpress.com/2008/05/15/new-project-python-incompatibility-is-python-30-really-incompatible/#comment-512 Lennart Regebro Thu, 15 May 2008 20:39:14 +0000 http://regebro.wordpress.com/?p=95#comment-512 Yes, that's indeed the idea behind Python 3. My point is that Guido has been telling everybody that the subset that is compatible is so small that it's useless. That probably was true, but 2.6 has introduced more and more forward compatibility, and I don't think it's true anymore. We'll see when we have a more complete set of tests. Yes, that’s indeed the idea behind Python 3. My point is that Guido has been telling everybody that the subset that is compatible is so small that it’s useless. That probably was true, but 2.6 has introduced more and more forward compatibility, and I don’t think it’s true anymore.

We’ll see when we have a more complete set of tests.

]]> Comment on New project: python-incompatibility. Is Python 3.0 really incompatible? by Leroy Glinchy http://regebro.wordpress.com/2008/05/15/new-project-python-incompatibility-is-python-30-really-incompatible/#comment-511 Leroy Glinchy Thu, 15 May 2008 19:44:59 +0000 http://regebro.wordpress.com/?p=95#comment-511 I could be wrong, but I thought that the point of the python devs was to allow themselves the ability to break compatability. However, I doubt they'd break it deliberately. That is, they wanted to give themselves freedom to fix some long standing issues that only an api change could do. However, they found that there was less that needed changing than they thought. Alternatively, you need to write stricter tests. :) I am talking out of my ass here. I don't really know. Thanks for posting the test results. It's nice to know that things are not broken more. I know there will be a day when we will find that our old versions of python are no longer supported on our platforms of choice. I could be wrong, but I thought that the point of the python devs was to allow themselves the ability to break compatability. However, I doubt they’d break it deliberately. That is, they wanted to give themselves freedom to fix some long standing issues that only an api change could do. However, they found that there was less that needed changing than they thought.

Alternatively, you need to write stricter tests. :)

I am talking out of my ass here. I don’t really know.

Thanks for posting the test results. It’s nice to know that things are not broken more. I know there will be a day when we will find that our old versions of python are no longer supported on our platforms of choice.

]]> Comment on Please run a test for me (it takes only minutes) by Dutch http://regebro.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/please-run-a-test-for-me-it-takes-only-minutes/#comment-510 Dutch Thu, 15 May 2008 16:21:37 +0000 http://regebro.wordpress.com/?p=91#comment-510 OS: Linux hal9000.sc.maricopa.edu 2.6.24.5-85.fc8 #1 SMP Sat Apr 19 12:39:34 EDT 2008 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux Platform: linux2 TZ: None Config files: /etc/sysconfig/clock time.tzname: MST:MST Time zone file: '/etc/localtime' [tztest 3.2] Timezone found in /etc/sysconfig/clock The time zone name is: America/Phoenix OS: Linux hal9000.sc.maricopa.edu 2.6.24.5-85.fc8 #1 SMP Sat Apr 19 12:39:34 EDT 2008 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
Platform: linux2
TZ: None
Config files: /etc/sysconfig/clock
time.tzname: MST:MST
Time zone file: ‘/etc/localtime’

[tztest 3.2]
Timezone found in /etc/sysconfig/clock
The time zone name is: America/Phoenix

]]> Comment on Please allow u” in Python 3.0! by New project: python-incompatibility. Is Python 3.0 really incompatible? « Lennart Regebro: Plone consulting http://regebro.wordpress.com/2008/03/19/please-allow-u-in-python-30/#comment-509 New project: python-incompatibility. Is Python 3.0 really incompatible? « Lennart Regebro: Plone consulting Thu, 15 May 2008 11:58:02 +0000 http://regebro.wordpress.com/?p=71#comment-509 [...] demonstrate incompatibilities between Python 2.x and 3.0. I found only one major incompatibility, that 2.x requires u” for Unicode, but 3.0 doesn’t support it. This was solved in Python 2.6a3, which introduced a from __future__ import unicode_listerals, [...] [...] demonstrate incompatibilities between Python 2.x and 3.0. I found only one major incompatibility, that 2.x requires u” for Unicode, but 3.0 doesn’t support it. This was solved in Python 2.6a3, which introduced a from __future__ import unicode_listerals, [...]

]]> Comment on Thanks for the testing help + conclusions. by Jörgen Modin http://regebro.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/thanks-for-the-testing-help-conclusions/#comment-505 Jörgen Modin Tue, 13 May 2008 19:37:18 +0000 http://regebro.wordpress.com/?p=93#comment-505 I promise I could not see your comments when I posted the above comment :-) I promise I could not see your comments when I posted the above comment :-)

]]> Comment on Thanks for the testing help + conclusions. by Jörgen Modin http://regebro.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/thanks-for-the-testing-help-conclusions/#comment-504 Jörgen Modin Tue, 13 May 2008 19:35:00 +0000 http://regebro.wordpress.com/?p=93#comment-504 I think you or somebody else should file bug reports with Ubuntu and Red Hat. This way it gets fixed once and for all. Or maybe somebody reading this is patch savy enough when it comes to Linux and can do it? I think you or somebody else should file bug reports with Ubuntu and Red Hat. This way it gets fixed once and for all. Or maybe somebody reading this is patch savy enough when it comes to Linux and can do it?

]]> Comment on Thanks for the testing help + conclusions. by Lennart Regebro http://regebro.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/thanks-for-the-testing-help-conclusions/#comment-503 Lennart Regebro Tue, 13 May 2008 18:57:31 +0000 http://regebro.wordpress.com/?p=93#comment-503 Well, the backup plan it to make everybody set a TZ environment to Somewhere/Someplace. I think that already works, at least in trunk. I might file a bug with Ubuntu, the problem being that it isn't really a bug, and btw, it only fixes the problem on Ubuntu. It's still stupidly complicated. Well, the backup plan it to make everybody set a TZ environment to Somewhere/Someplace. I think that already works, at least in trunk.

I might file a bug with Ubuntu, the problem being that it isn’t really a bug, and btw, it only fixes the problem on Ubuntu. It’s still stupidly complicated.

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